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| Kent Steadman |
 Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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| V00D00 |
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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I think we're seeing signs of a relationship developing here
very very interesting ..
I wonder if a MegaWave type event is what keeps this planet from
achieving an enduring culture over tens of thousands of years ...
Its starting to look more plausible to me
This is real ground breaking stuff
Thanks Kent
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:03 pm Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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Shape Shifter
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| Is a gamma ray burst the same thing as an air shower? |
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| Chaiyah |
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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That's what I thought, Kent.
http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml
The initial seisigraph reading didn't look anything LIKE a quake, more like a SHOCK.
Notice, everything went "WHACK!" at the same moment. No, a quake is a rolling movement underground starting at point a and rolling along to point b, something like a river of earth, flowing.
Do we have a siting, where the gamma ray burst originated? Or is all we know, here it CAME!!
How far away?
How much energy, in common terms (how about kilowatts or terrawatts) does a gamma burst represent?
In that case, it "punched" the planet, right?
If gamma bursts like this occur very often, this planet is not always inhabitable--if the ground breaks.
No wonder ancient cultures built in stone, anything they wanted to keep.
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| Kent Steadman |
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:38 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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3/28/2005 7:52:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
Hi Kent, I'm picking up strong gamma ray bursts at my place with counts of 40,000 per second. Normally the background radiation is about 2000 counts per second. The time is approximately 9:46pm CST 3/28/05.
3/29/2005
This was an unusual burst. It had six distinct peaks over the course of 30 seconds. The first peak was weak, and in fact it was the second peak, which was 10 times stronger, which triggered Swift.
Swift was not able to look for an X-ray afterglow because initially the burst was too close to the position of the Earth as seen by Swift. Ironically, later on, Swift was out of contact with ground-based antennas for several hours due to the nature of its orbit, so further analysis must wait.
However, XMM-Newton has observed this burst, looking for X-rays, and preliminary analysis reveals a previously-unseen source. We await further analysis.
Gamma-ray Burst Real-time Sky Map
http://grb.sonoma.edu/index.php
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| Kent Steadman |
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:05 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:04 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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Worldwide earthquakes since 3/28/05 (past 24 hours):
earthquake
number DATE
yy/mm/dd TIME (GMT)
hh:mm:ss LAT
degrees LON
degrees DEP
km MAG Q COMMENTS
1 05/03/28 11:01:31 43.45N 146.82E 49.1 4.9M A KURIL ISLANDS
2 05/03/28 13:46:55 12.55N 86.88W 198.6 5.0M A NICARAGUA
3 05/03/28 16:09:36 2.06N 97.01E 30.0 8.7M A NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
4 05/03/28 16:38:43 1.37N 97.36E 30.0 6.0M A NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
5 05/03/28 17:59:47 0.95N 97.80E 30.0 5.3M A NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
6 05/03/28 18:30:43 0.92N 97.80E 30.0 6.1M A NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
7 05/03/28 18:48:52 2.73N 95.96E 30.0 5.5M A SIMEULUE, INDONESIA
8 05/03/28 19:02:19 1.01N 97.82E 30.0 5.8M A NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
9 05/03/28 20:06:26 1.08N 97.37E 30.0 5.4M A NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
10 05/03/28 20:19:09 4.95N 92.32E 30.0 5.0M B OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATR
11 05/03/28 20:23:21 0.87N 97.69E 30.0 5.2M A NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
12 05/03/28 20:35:17 1.72N 97.09E 30.0 5.2M A NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
13 05/03/28 21:34:07 0.84N 97.74E 30.0 4.9M B NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
14 05/03/28 23:13:00 0.19N 97.02E 30.0 5.7M A NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
15 05/03/28 23:37:31 2.93N 96.34E 29.4 5.7M A SIMEULUE, INDONESIA
16 05/03/28 23:39:48 2.92N 96.34E 30.0 5.5M A SIMEULUE, INDONESIA
17 05/03/28 23:44:44 2.81N 96.31E 28.5 4.9M B SIMEULUE, INDONESIA
18 05/03/29 05:16:30 2.62N 96.54E 30.0 5.8M A SIMEULUE, INDONESIA
The earthquake information presented here is from the USGS National Earthquake Information Center. You are encouraged to visit the NEIC website for more detailed information on recent or historical earthquakes, maps, etc. To simply get a listing of the most recent seismicity, use the NEIC finger server: finger quake@gldfs.cr.usgs.gov.
http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/telemetry_data/map_sta_eq.shtml |
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| NewEarth |
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:13 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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Kent Steadman, can you elaborate on how such a GRB [gamma ray burst] would impact the earth?
This totally new to me.
What produces a GRB [gamma ray burst] in outer space?
Does a GRB always produce a EQ?
Is there a reason why the earth is being hit with GRB at this time?
Not trying to be difficult just trying to understand. Like I said this totally new to me.
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| tnhiker |
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:23 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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A gamma ray burst would not cause an eq on earth. The eq was a result of the stress build between the tetonic plates. The 9.2 that occured after christmas created major changes to the plate in that area, and the earth in general. There has been reports of pressure building there over the past two weeks, and they suspected another one would occur. It appears thought that while the one that causedthe tsunami was a resultof theplates moving upwards, this one was more of a shift and did not produce the killer tsunami.
Edited to add link to explanation of gamma burst
Gamma rays
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:31 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/030515/gamma-burst.shtml
Chicago astrophysicist analyzing data from rare gamma-ray burst
By Steve Koppes
News Office
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An artist’s conception of the violent blast of gamma rays emitted by the recent GRB030329 in the constellation Leo is shown above. Gamma ray bursts are explosions so powerful that they can be seen across billions of light-years of space, emitting 10 times as much energy in a few seconds as the sun will release in its entire 10-billion-year lifetime.
The birth cry of a black hole has startled Chicago astrophysicists and their colleagues who operate a NASA satellite that searches for gamma-ray bursts, the most powerful explosions in the universe.
The Saturday, March 29 explosion occurred approximately 2 billion light years from Earth, too distant to pose a threat, but two and a half times closer than the next-closest burst for which scientists have reliable measurements.
“The chance of a burst this near and this bright happening is one in a few thousand,” said Don Lamb Jr., the Louis Block Professor in Astronomy & Astrophysics and the Mission Scientist for NASA’s High-Energy Transient Explorer-2 satellite. If such bursts are evenly distributed throughout the universe, he said, “we won’t see anything like this again.”
Follow-up observations by scientists at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics quickly and, for the first time, clearly linked gamma-ray bursts and supernovae, which are exploding stars. This type of supernova results in the formation of a black hole, a compact object so dense that no light can escape its gravitational pull.
Lamb and his associates then confirmed the center’s finding using the Astrophysical Research Consortium 3.5-meter telescope at Apache Point Observatory in New Mexico.
“There have been clues and hints that gamma-ray bursts might be produced by core-collapse supernovae, but now it’s certain,” Lamb said.
The data suggest that the supernova explosion was non-spherical, which supports new ideas about how core collapse supernovae happen. “This is absolutely going to change everything,” Lamb said.
The cause of gamma-ray bursts has perplexed astrophysicists for the last three decades. Lasting anywhere from fractions of a second to many minutes, these unpredictable bursts occur almost daily and come from any direction in the sky. Afterglows, which are visible for a few days at X-ray and optical wavelengths, follow these bursts. HETE-2, launched in 2000, pinpoints burst locations within seconds so that ground telescopes can make crucial follow-up observations.
The Saturday, March 29 burst lasted for more than 30 seconds.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:47 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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Not an absolute certainty that this is true... there is much research being done as to the involvement of an accompaning gravity wave burst that preceeds the gamma burst ...
http://cgwp.gravity.psu.edu/research/
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:57 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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| I know the number looks big....But the way I see it ...It was an aftershock from the Dec. 26 event......With more on the way..... |
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| tnhiker |
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:08 am Post subject: Re: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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Not an absolute certainty that this is true... there is much research being done as to the involvement of an accompaning gravity wave burst that preceeds the gamma burst ...
http://cgwp.gravity.psu.edu/research/
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There is nothing there to say that a gravity wave could cause an eq either. Especially one as massive as an 8.7.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:10 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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"Astronomers have theorized that gamma ray bursts might travel in association with gravity wave bursts. In the course of their flight through space, gamma rays would be deflected by gravitational fields and would be scattered by dust and cosmic ray particles they encountered, so they would be expected to travel slightly slower than their associated gravity wave burst which would pass through space unimpeded. After a 45,000 year light-speed journey, a gamma ray burst arrival delay of 44.6 hours would not be unexpected. It amounts to a delay of just one part in 9 million. So if the gravity wave traveled at the speed of light (c), the gamma ray burst would have averaged a speed of 0.99999989 c, just 0.11 millionths slower. There is also the possibility that at the beginning of its journey the gravity wave may have had a superluminal speed...."
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The current idea being that a gravity wave hits slightly before a gamma burst hits ...
... all-round UEF pressure and resulting in the more familiar effect we call "gravity"
... is likely the main driver of tectonic activity on Earth and other ...
are you starting to see the possible correlation ?
granted its not for shure... but it shure is interesting ...
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:21 am Post subject: SPACEQUAKE / EARTHQUAKE
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Yes I understand the theory. However, once again, there is no correlation whatsoever.
Lets assume for a second that it is true. Care to calculate the odds of the exact same spot being hit twice? The earth would have to be positioned precisley for two different gravity waves to hit.
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