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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:46 am 
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My prior slight nausea appears to have not been related to the MMS - will do 5 drops today and feel fine.


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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:19 am 
Something to take in consideration;

The stuff in question is 'MMS' or 'Miracle Mineral Supplement' which is a 28% solution of Sodium Chlorite, which is activated by interaction with acetic acid or citric acid, then is ingested and becomes Chlorine Dioxide in the body.

This stuff is ENORMOUSLY powerful and unfortunately, can be DANGEROUS by virtue of the fact that it can strip arterial plaque out so fast that it doesn't allow any time for healing of those arteries.

How do I know? Because I've done it, and am having heart trouble right now because of it. This is not a negative post. Before launching into this, do not do so without getting and reading the second book, where the author does warn about this very thing. I didn't understand. Now I do.

Before doing this, if you have the slightest notion that you may have any heart troubles, or even if you're older than 30, build yourself up first with a full range of L-Ascorbic Acid and natural Vitamin C containing products like Acerola Powder, and/or eat a lot of citrus fruit if you can handle it, for at least 2 weeks previous to taking MMS.

Also load yourself with potassium and magnesium first.

Once you start MMS, it *may* destroy Vitamin C in your system, so it may be best to take MMS only once a day, and take the C products on the other 12 hour side. C in the morning, MMS at night.

MMS can induce the most extreme of Herxheimer reactions. I have bought activated charcoal and have Bentonite Clay on hand to deal with the Herx when I have my next run at MMS, which won't be for another week at least, maybe longer.

Now to the specifics of how MMS can 'cause' heart trouble:

The arteries of the heart, the ones that deliver blood from the heart to the heart, those arteries collapse with every heartbeat. Without enough vitamin C and collagen*, they weaken at the stress points. The body packs cholesterol onto these weak places. The cholesterol becomes pathogen infested and turns into plaque. Chlorine Dioxide attacks and strips this plaque, exposing the weakened arterial wall beneath. Then you have problems. All of this is in book two, but perhaps not warned about harshly enough.

(*I have just started taking 'Super Collagen' by Neocell, and it also seems to help my heart.)

In just a very few days, MMS exposed and killed a large infection in my right sinuses. I knew I had it but I had no idea how truly bad it was until the MMS went after it.

Don't jump into this with both feet and go splashing around. Don't be stupid like me, and a few others. MMS is great stuff, but so powerful that you must use caution with it.

Now, don't anybody get all worried about me. I'm fine. This has been a learning experience for me and I do believe I'm going to emerge from this even stronger. I sure am smarter already ;>)

xxxxxxx

PS- Somebody is going to come back and say 'I'll never take that.' Well, I am going to take it again. This is in no way to be construed as anti-MMS. It's just a caution."


  
 
 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:07 pm 
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VERY good information Chill! Thanks for posting this!

Now here's what my MMS routine is - I have not, and won't, take it twice a day. Rather, I'm using it once a day, at night, and increasing it one drop each night.

I do take my regular vitamins in the morning.

Doing it this way 'just happened' as I didn't realize you were "suppose" to do it twice a day.

Glad I made that "mistake" - going to stick with it given Chill's post!

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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:14 pm 
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Chili Nil ---

Would you mind if I saw to it that your warning as you wrote it got posted on www.HealthSalon.org ? for other hearts out there?

You are the first person I have come across with this warning and perhaps it needs to get out there a bit further.

:rotatingheart: :rotatingheart:

And how did your heart problems manifest and how do you know it was the MMS?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:34 pm 
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Arrow, I believe he's just copying and pasting the information from somewhere else. I read that piece yesterday but can't remember where. I think it was a link off of your other forum.


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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:52 pm 
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Thanks for posting that, Chill. We've been taking it twice a day and were about to take our second dose right before bed. Neither of us has any heart problems but we're both over 50 and not much for exercise, so it's best to be cautious.

We still haven't really noticed anything happening. Maybe some extra burping. :roll:



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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:24 am 
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Arrow wrote:
Chili Nil ---

Would you mind if I saw to it that your warning as you wrote it got posted on www.HealthSalon.org ? for other hearts out there?

You are the first person I have come across with this warning and perhaps it needs to get out there a bit further.

:rotatingheart: :rotatingheart:

And how did your heart problems manifest and how do you know it was the MMS?


Arrow!

I think i got this from glp or from humbles site directly, i cant remember.
I have so much important info on MMS on my puter I get lost

If i find the source I will post it


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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:27 am 
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Pamelot wrote:
We still haven't really noticed anything happening. Maybe some extra burping. :roll:


Hahahaha you just wait!!!

I got to the rhea on the tenth day or something.
I was close to 15 drops when it started.
Dont worry it WILL come.


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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:39 am 
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I have 3 bottles of MMS to give 3 different people. Anyone who has a pathogen caused illness including fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, crohns, IBS, cancer, multiple warts, psoriasis, HIV, lyme, or you name it.

I you are interested PM me. There are a couple of easy to do conditions.


:gheart: :gheart: :gheart:


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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:53 am 
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ldsfireguy (i think i saw him here...) posted this on http://curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1050006

He has been taking MMS without activating it.
NO smell or taste, drink like and tastes like water.
I take my 15 drops during the day unactivated in a bottle of water and in the evening 15 drops activated.

ldsfireguy

I have posted in the past about my own story/recovery, so if it's ok I will just repeat them here in this email for now...

A friend first brought up drinking sodium chlorite in liters of water, mixed with "greens" (grass powder/veggie powder) about 4 years ago. (Sodium chlorite is the active ingredient in MMS). She kept mentioning it over and over to me, telling me how much it had helped her, and many, many others she knew.

I was pretty conservative, ate a SAD diet, and had very little experience with any holistic therapies. But, she was so enthusiastic, and she was a good friend, so I tried a liter with the drops and greens in it. (this was 5% sodium chlorite, so about 1/5 the strength of MMS).

Within the first hour of sipping this, I felt "high" ... I was at work at the firehouse, so this was not the best place to feel this way, lol ... I called up Darlene (my friend) and at first she couldnt believe it, but I described the way I felt and she agreed, yup, I was probably stoned.

We figured out, after thinking things over, that I had taken some anti-depressants and some anxiety meds about 8 to 12 mos before, and what had probably happened was a release/detox of stored meds from that prior time period ... so I had a REALLY nice, euphoric first two hours drinking NaClO2.

After that, I began to feel incredibly more energetic, and I started to drop weight. I became so convinced so early about this combination that I continued to drink liters of water with these 5% NaClO2 drops, mixed with about a teaspoon of dry grass powder/veggie powder, about 4 -5 of these per day. The more I drank, the more weight I lost, and the more my appetite/desires shifted to eat the healthy food that was being recommended to me ("alkaline diet"). It is almost as though the more pure my body became, the more I wanted to eat whole foods, green foods, etc....

In the first 4 months I noticed the following benefits:

- I lost 40lbs (although I had NOT been trying to lose weight)
- I began to look a LOT younger ... I was 39 then ... most people
would guess I was 28 - 29
- My eyes brightened a TON ... they went from tired and dull, to bright green ... for the first time in my life, people would comment about my eyes...lol
- Little skin problems cleared up ... itchiness, skin health, etc...
- My dandruff disappeared and my scalp stopped itching.
- I finally slept soundly; I had always awoken tired, and would have trouble waking up even by 7 or 8 in the morning; now, I could go to bed at 11pm, and I would ALWAYS pop awake at 4:30 or 5am, ready to go, and not be tired again until the next night.
- My snoring/sleep apnea just WENT away ... I had been tested in a hospital sleep study center, and I would stop breathing about 30 times per hour.
- My allergies (seasonal, food, environmental) just WENT away ... after years of suffering, and trying every OTC med known to man.
- My STRONG desires for sweets/carbs just WENT away (and when I say desires here, I mean pure LUST)
- My mind cleared up ... for the first time really since high school I felt like I had my brain back ... it was wonderful; I started writing again, poetry and stories, I started studying new subjects, etc...
- My energy level and my stamina continued to skyrocket ... I would take my soccer ball down to the park, in the 98 degree heat of July, and play with the 16 year old soccer players until they wore out. Then I would go for a run.
- My patience, tolerance and love for others increased.

It was INCREDIBLE. I remember telling friends after about 4 mos. (in all humility, lol) that I felt like I could bend steel with my bare hands. And the energy, the strength, the endurance, and clarity of thought and expression all felt holistic, natural and good.

I'm sure there were many more things ... it is difficult to recall it all...but I remember that it basically gave me my life back.

I hope this helps; maybe I will post it again.

Please take care,

Scott

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So he has been on it for 4 years and still takes it and still screams about it...

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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:14 pm 
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I've been thinking about this issue of taking MMS unactivated.

We have to remember that many people who are sick have very low stomach acid production which is what is necessary to convert standard, on the market for years, "Stabilized Oxygen" and because of low stomach acid or for those even taking antacid pills, the product did not work for many of them very well. They were under the illusion that oxygen was being delivered into their system also, which we know now, was quite wrong, also.

I had a friend who died of cancer a few years ago. She insisted on taking stabilized oxygen and she did it religously but it did nothing for her. It is clear now, after reading those who have had success with cancer and MMS that what see took was not near powerful enough, nor taken frequently enough.

Jim has circumvented this possibility of poor activation by preactivation and also in MMS you are taking a much larger dose so you have to be sure that adequate acid solution is available. For some with great amounts of stomach acid this may be a non issue, but for the vast amount of people with severe chronic disease, or reflux disease, or general poor digestion, or ulcer history, (all indicators of low HCL in the stomach) it may be a significant issue.



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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:38 pm 
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Dunno Arrow, he puts it in the blood directly as well unactivated so...

what would cause it to activate when in the blood?


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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:52 pm 
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Some more experiences, mostly from curezone

We mix the drops and citric acid, leave
for 3 minutes and then add home made apple juice. It is better than
taking it straight, but not easy.

The good news is that my saliva is returning after 5 years
of "incurable" Sjogren's syndrome, my warts have fallen off, my
chronic eye infection seems to be nearly gone and many other signs of
healing after only 32 days. It is very exciting. We just have to
put one foot in front of the other and keep doing the best we can.
Yesterday I had a bad migraine and resorted to a coffee enema, which
I haven't done in months. I just take it one day at a time and trust
God, regardless of the outcome. So far, the MMS seems to be healing
things that NOTHING else has been able to reach.

My husband Vic (he has prostate cancer and chronic infections) just
feels exhausted on the MMS. But there is color in his face. He has
had an awful yellow look to his skin for years, but now it is a
lovely pink. I believe he is going through some major "critter" kill
and detox. We keep waiting for the "loads of energy" stage that
others talk about. I do believe it will come as we kill the bugs.
Check out this website. http://www.miraclems.com/testimonies.html
These are people we know. The writer, Chris Smith, was almost dead a
few months ago. He has been battling a very aggressive cancer for
over 8 years. Since going on the MMS looks, sounds and feels so much
better.

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I have been using MMS for MS symptoms just over 2 months and am seeing things which
I love. For now what about the reduction of the skin lymph glands? I think this is a major sign of what may be happening inside all the other organs and glands. I had enlarged lymph below my breasts, under my arms and stomach. My holistic dr said they were swollen lymph glands. The computer allergist specialist said they had strep, mold and other virus and bacterial overloads. These glands are a part of the skin and look like fat deposits. I have had lymph massage drainage and this helped but nothing permanent. They the Lymph deposits on my trunk underarms, and lower stomach look like they are disolving. I also have small tumors around these lymph glands and they are too getting smaller. Does anyone know of anyone else with this experience. I think if it is doing this to my outsides it is also doing this to my pancreas, bowels (are loaded with glands, immune glands,)Brain in MS, and thyroid one side was swollen last week when I saw the dentist. I am also regaining better function with my Lungs. I would appreciate any support on this issue. Links experiences ect. Thank You

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My experience with MMS has been so pleasant; I am on my second go. The first was about a 10-day trial, and then I got nervous about taking it, so I stopped. However, with this start I am having nothing but great feelings of health. Today I am at 5 drops with lemon and I take it 2 x per day. One of the coolest feelings has been in my brain area. A feeling of tingling, like a clearing sensation.

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I have used MMS for symptoms of Multiple Sclerosis for almost 2 months. I am getting symptom relief. Has anyone else with Multiple Sclerosis been using MMS protocol? Have you experience any symptom relief?
I can see natural signs that I attribute to less Mercury, pathogens, yeast and mold (old hard sore's are healing and soft) No longer have digestive problems and breathing is much better. Lymph glands are getting softer and I am losing weight.

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So many people found it hard to believe my many improvements it is nice to see you experienced much the same improvements. I am excited and looking forward every day. I have MS and am walking away from it one symptom at a time. I have followed a holistic protocol for many years but couldn't get that last bit of recovery. I think the Metals,spores, toxin plaques, virus, bacteria and pathogenic mold and yeast overloads were just to deep for the treatments to get to. I did ozone, chelation. vitamin therapy. Which lightened the load. The MMS seems to have lowered the counts quickly and I will do it until I know the last spore is dead.

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I'm using MMS for Lyme. I started it on 10/4/07, worked up to 15 drops 2x a day, am & pm. When I experienced no nausea or diarrhea, I began to wonder if it was doing anything. Well, 15 drops 2x day didn't last long. Walking got more difficult, started taking 2 hr naps, lots of pain in jaw/teeth/neck area and down spine, swelling in cheek, nerves in limbs screaming. Agony everywhere! Well, maybe not everywhere. It just felt like everywhere. But at least it became obvious it wasn't doing nothing. Dropped back drastically on # of drops and some days went off entirely. Dropped salt/vit c protocol and supplements. I couldn't think what to take or not to take or when to take it and couldn't keep track even when I tried.

What I think is happening is that the MMS got to the spine where the dastardly little beasties had been successfully hiding out escaping the salt/vit c. I also consider this experience further confirmation that it was dental work that provided the major opportunity for this invasion. (If it hadn't been for our 'state of the art' American medical profession I'm sure I could have negotiated this life much more successfully. Grrr!!) Anyway, I'm still miserable. but plodding on. Presently doing 15 drops once a day. Would like to try fewer drops at a time and more often during the day, but the taste/smell grosses me out so that I prefer to do it once and get it over with. I also added to my misery by using the Indian Herb, (otherwise known as black salve) recommended by Jim Humble on a couple of little crusty spots on my skin which, judging from how angrily they are reacting, I'm now convinced they are skin cancers. I also got the life-line water from the Indian Herb lady in hopes it will help hydrate as she says it will. So the experiment goes on.

Thanks to all of you for being here.

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I also experienced that same thing using MMS for lyme. I worked to 15 drops twice a day and was fine for a while and started to notice fatigue and nausea building and stopped the mms after about a month. It became tough to tollerate the mms. 5 days later I started it up again because the fatigue worsened. 4 days after that i started feeling ok again. At 10 drops a day I leveled off as it was to much to go to 15 drops again. I finished half the bottle and have stopped for now. Most of the infections I have had are gone. After dermal testing the lyme was gone also but may be dormant. I had a lyme test three weeks ago to verify that I have beaten the bug.
If MMS can beat lyme this would be god sent.

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I have reported before that MMS made my breathing easier. Here's what
happened last night.

I was born with asthma. Had it all through my childhood and though I
outgrew it as a young adult it left my lungs compromised--meaning that if I exerted myself I wouldn't be able to breath deep. There were many times that I'd still have asthmatic spells of short duration. If I was in a damp environment it would be hard for me to breath.

I started taking MMS, only 6 drops a day. I noticed better breathing in
just 2 days, but in only less than 3 weeks I am now able to breath all the way to lung capacity. I can fill my lungs completely with air and not cough or have that catch that happens. And last night I went to a concert held in an underground cave. It was quite a ways down--and going down is always easy. ;-) But coming up, I pushed myself to keep up with the group as we were leaving so as not to block anyone behind me.

When I got to the surface I had to sit down and catch my breath for 3 to 4 minutes before breathing slowed down to normal. BUT--the whole time I was puffing and panting was just from being physically out of shape and had nothing to do with my lungs,because I, miraculously was breathing deeply, filling my lungs, no catching,no heat/pain in the lungs from exertion, no coughing. I was pretty darn impressed!! That has never happened to me before in my life.

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 Post subject: MMS - Anyone Using it?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:07 pm 
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careful when taking and depending on medicine.


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Although I remain a big supporter/believer in MMS and what it can accomplish in the body,
I am going to go off it for a while (at least.) At only 6 drops once a day, it seems the MMS is
neutralizing blood sugar and blood pressure medication because both are going up.

I have been feeling more pain and other all-over crappy feelings, easily stressed out, with
palpetations at times.

My bp has been inching up steadily with no change in medicine. I have had my blood sugar medicine
changed because the one I was on was causing pitting edema. It seems that the new medicines have
had no effect since I was on the MMS at the time of changing.

Since I feel so bad, I am dropping the MMS and continuing with other good supplements.
Hopefully, this will help.

Just a "heads up" to those on medication.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:48 pm 
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Chill wrote:
Pamelot wrote:
We still haven't really noticed anything happening. Maybe some extra burping. :roll:


Hahahaha you just wait!!!

I got to the rhea on the tenth day or something.
I was close to 15 drops when it started.
Dont worry it WILL come.


;-)


Oh, I can hardly wait. :?

Weight loss?
Curing sleep apnea?
Sleeping soundly & restfully?
Getting my brain back?

:ura: Awesome! :excited:



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